tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1828166865647185633.post6822421327835857891..comments2024-03-28T18:25:51.357+00:00Comments on The Ranty Highwayman: Clutter BusterThe Ranty Highwaymanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17361350433158148025noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1828166865647185633.post-51774463938937160362022-11-15T16:28:57.464+00:002022-11-15T16:28:57.464+00:00Yes that's correct, although with painted bays...Yes that's correct, although with painted bays there needs to be more than one sign on longer bays for clarity. For a residential estate say with inset bays between trees for example or more random single, that is a clutter risk for sure. Maybe the answer is to use a permit parking area which only needs entry zone signs and then make the "right" places to park obvious with design features?The Ranty Highwaymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17361350433158148025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1828166865647185633.post-23827600586579288682022-10-25T19:13:11.091+01:002022-10-25T19:13:11.091+01:00In Restricted Parking Zones do I understand 15.3.2...In Restricted Parking Zones do I understand 15.3.2 of Traffic Signs Manual Ch3 correctly to mean that if parking bays are marked only with surface materials they require signage at each end ('P' with arrow pointing into the space along with yellow RPZ repeaters with arrows facing away from the space), even for a single-car bay, whereas with if such a bay were marked with white lines a single central 'P' sign would suffice? If used in housing developments where there is a desire to minimise visual clutter and there is the opportunity to define safe unobstructive spaces in different materials from the outset it seems that it would result in a lot of posts where there are frequent single bays along a street which would detract from the visual objective.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1828166865647185633.post-53528104392923482202015-10-30T17:07:25.296+00:002015-10-30T17:07:25.296+00:00Look into this website. It talks about what the si...Look into this website. It talks about what the signs could even look like: http://globonsomeday.blogspot.ca/2011/08/more-signage-suggestions-and-why-uk.htmlMultiparty Democracy Todayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13359081992141220593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1828166865647185633.post-74966411868673407912015-10-30T17:04:30.365+00:002015-10-30T17:04:30.365+00:00Fascinating! I'm not holding my breath on a me...Fascinating! I'm not holding my breath on a metric changeover, but it would make sense on so many levels!The Ranty Highwaymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17361350433158148025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1828166865647185633.post-87680866614849532922015-10-27T08:16:28.670+00:002015-10-27T08:16:28.670+00:00I found a great website, partially dedicated (part...I found a great website, partially dedicated (partially dedicated?) to decluttering road signs, making them more intuitive, implementing the Vienna Convention fully and metricating road signs. I like the guy's ideas. http://globonsomeday.blogspot.fr/2011/09/what-uk-metric-road-signs-changeover.htmlMultiparty Democracy Todayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13359081992141220593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1828166865647185633.post-9241252849839049902014-04-30T12:14:15.845+01:002014-04-30T12:14:15.845+01:00Interesting stuff. I've become a bit of a decl...Interesting stuff. I've become a bit of a declutter aficionado recently and have been contracted to carry out some work on the TfL network for exactly that - decluttering in conjunction with capital footway renewals. <br /><br />One part of this is looking to replace two posts with one where practical (and where the required foundation area is free from stats).<br /><br />Looking forward to the new TSRGD being released next year which should relax a lot of the onerous requirements on lighting, as well as signs that must accompany markings (for example we technically cannot have a cycle logo without an upright sign, nor a 'dragons tooth' speed hump without the accompanying road hump sign). <br /><br />Good things are happening!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1828166865647185633.post-12660487732524552332014-04-09T18:52:19.760+01:002014-04-09T18:52:19.760+01:00oh the link https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/...oh the link https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/223943/traffic-signs-manual-chapter-03.pdf<br />The Ranty Highwaymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17361350433158148025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1828166865647185633.post-43899030420146669692014-04-09T18:51:52.931+01:002014-04-09T18:51:52.931+01:00Have a look at the "speed limits" sectio...Have a look at the "speed limits" section in Chapter 3 of the Traffic Signs Manual (link below) for full details (p105 onwards).<br /><br />Para 14.54 onward (p128) deals with lighting of speed limit signs. It isn't brilliantly clear, but terminal signs on trunk roads and principal roads ('A' roads) need to be lit if within 50m of a street light. It is also recommended they be reflectorised.<br /><br />Terminal signs not on truck roads, not on principal roads and of course unlit roads don't need to be lit, but they should be reflectorised, although common practice is to light them when the speed limit changes part way along a road anyway.<br /><br />20mph Zone signs can be lit or reflectorised (if lit, recommended that they are reflectorised too) and in practice 20mph Zone signs are bigger than usual speed limit signs and so people don't light them even where the limit changes along a road.<br /><br />20mph limits are different to Zones and so the rules for trunk roads and principal roads apply.<br /><br />Essentially, light signs on main roads where the limit changes and the road is lit (and reflectorise the signs), including 20mph limits, but not Zones.<br /><br />Don't light in all other situations!<br /><br />It is not easy this!The Ranty Highwaymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17361350433158148025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1828166865647185633.post-53970395616816056462014-04-09T15:48:51.753+01:002014-04-09T15:48:51.753+01:00Hi could you easily point me in the direction of t...Hi could you easily point me in the direction of the section in TSRGD that lets us change speed limits at side roads without lighting the signs? If not I'll research it but thought you may have it to hand. Thanks<br />JRAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1828166865647185633.post-5872179766495580062014-04-06T15:29:09.962+01:002014-04-06T15:29:09.962+01:00I certainly advocate looking at putting things at ...I certainly advocate looking at putting things at the back of the footway as a starting point. Not always possible, but mostly possible.The Ranty Highwaymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17361350433158148025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1828166865647185633.post-28613638401340034042014-04-06T15:27:49.205+01:002014-04-06T15:27:49.205+01:00Most things can be dealt with by some careful thou...Most things can be dealt with by some careful thought. Rather than a sign post with a sign centrally mounted in the middle of the footway, we can often put the post at the back and side hang the sign.<br /><br />We can double up with bins and traffic signals on lamp columns and we can leave out many road markings and signs anyway!The Ranty Highwaymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17361350433158148025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1828166865647185633.post-22557617181882687152014-04-05T15:55:33.412+01:002014-04-05T15:55:33.412+01:00I think part of the problem with street clutter (a...I think part of the problem with street clutter (and as it relates to space for cycling) is the guidance in Chapter 1 of the Traffic Signs Manual stating the edge of sign faces - and by implication all street furniture - should be a minimum 450mm from the edge of the carriageway, so as to be out of the way of large vehicles which may overhang the footway (cycleway).<br /><br />Presumably for similar psychological reasons as drivers experience 'kerb shyness', a 76mm diameter signpost placed 450/500mm back from the kerb reduces a 1.5m footway to less than 1.0m practical width, and the same obviously goes for a cycle track; perhaps more so.<br /><br />Placing everything at the back of the footway as a default - and for signs or traffic signals this may mean using more expensive cranked posts or cantilever structures - would, I think, do a great deal to remove the feeling of clutter and the perception of the footway or cycleway as an obstacle course.<br /><br />Andy RAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1828166865647185633.post-77917309031953436212014-04-05T15:11:42.843+01:002014-04-05T15:11:42.843+01:00Great post. I have had a productive meeting with a...Great post. I have had a productive meeting with a TfL street manager recently in regards to removal of poor cluter. Not so much too many objects (although this is an issue) but more the way they are placed on the road. 2 legged sign posts are not cool!Jonohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04249766610859816646noreply@blogger.com