tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1828166865647185633.post7378486357898202927..comments2024-03-28T18:25:51.357+00:00Comments on The Ranty Highwayman: Zone ControlThe Ranty Highwaymanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17361350433158148025noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1828166865647185633.post-21087260805433505012024-01-23T17:14:20.484+00:002024-01-23T17:14:20.484+00:00Unfortunately we can only go down to a 20mph limit...Unfortunately we can only go down to a 20mph limit which will still be too fast in that environment, so we would need to get them down through design features.The Ranty Highwaymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17361350433158148025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1828166865647185633.post-78805686775010983662024-01-23T11:16:13.838+00:002024-01-23T11:16:13.838+00:00Is there a speed limit for vehicles that are allow...Is there a speed limit for vehicles that are allowed into the pedestrian zone? In Oxford we have a a few safe school zones, they are poorly signed, although they meet the legal requireemnt and cars regularly go through them and get fined. However there are cars allowed into them, mainly parents, who think the clear road is for them to do as they want and shoot through, as a result no-one uses the pedestrian zone and keep to the pavements.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1828166865647185633.post-64845448075305376042023-10-19T19:33:34.829+01:002023-10-19T19:33:34.829+01:00I'm afraid it is very much a zone approach rat...I'm afraid it is very much a zone approach rather than a point restriction so assuming the traffic order and signage was in accordance with the rules, they'll have you bang to rights - personally I would like to see actual closures during operation, but it isn't often possible or cost-effective.The Ranty Highwaymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17361350433158148025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1828166865647185633.post-4897724842034910522023-10-19T19:29:54.729+01:002023-10-19T19:29:54.729+01:00It's a great question - S3(2) covers this and ...It's a great question - S3(2) covers this and is essentially a get out where vehicles are concerned (so could include cycles) on the road - in other words, preventing pedestrian access remains a no-no.<br /><br />However, you also need to look at the The Local Authorities' Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England and Wales) Regulations 1996 [snappy eh!]<br /><br />S9 talks about holding public inquiries for a list of situations where non-frivolous objections have not been withdrawn:<br /><br />https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1996/2489/regulation/9/made<br /><br />Frivolous would be someone simply not liking the extension of the times for a ped zone, but a non-frivolous objection could be from a bus operator for example.<br /><br />It's up to the local traffic authority to decide what frivolous is, but legal advice would usually be cautious with such.<br />The Ranty Highwaymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17361350433158148025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1828166865647185633.post-35277036826323205542023-10-18T12:03:11.897+01:002023-10-18T12:03:11.897+01:00Hi Ranty. As per your article, there IS a fair am...Hi Ranty. As per your article, there IS a fair amount of flexibility with what can appear on the sign however I have a question I hope you can help me with if you put your IHE hat on. It’s with regard the operational times. RTRA 1984 regulations at Section 3(1)(b) specifically state that a TRO ‘shall not be made with respect to any road which would have the effect of’ …’preventing for more than 8 hours in any period of 24 hours access for vehicles of any class’<br /><br />One of your examples above shows operational hours 8am-6pm, which is beyond the 8hr period so I believe would need approval from Secretary of State for Transport? I’m only asking as our local Councillors are pushing for a longer Ped Zone that stretches into the evening in order to help with daytime ‘café culture’ and evening with pubs using the roadspace. I have seen a very small number of signs for Ped Zone across the country with Ped Zones over 8hrs but I wonder if the local highways authority have been a little cavalier in their attitude to RTRA? (or perhaps got SoS approval…) <br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1828166865647185633.post-46656475422701129582023-10-07T19:30:58.216+01:002023-10-07T19:30:58.216+01:00Hi Ranty,
I got caught by a CCTV camera at a &qu...Hi Ranty, <br /><br />I got caught by a CCTV camera at a "school street" style pedestrian and cycle zone recently. I turned right into the side street containing the zone, realised that it was in fact a cycle and pedestrian zone, and completed a U-turn before proceeding down the street. Apparently, I drove just a tiny bit too far past the entry signs and got a PCN. Am I right in thinking that the restriction applies to the whole road, or is it a "point restriction" (i.e. you get a ticket for passing a specific point). If I didn't traverse or drive through the pedestrian and cycle zone, did I commit an offence? Or is driving half a car length past the entry sign enough of an offence (as it would be for a point restriction). TIAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1828166865647185633.post-78921041602674471212023-08-08T19:25:27.916+01:002023-08-08T19:25:27.916+01:00You can't drive in unless it is outside of any...You can't drive in unless it is outside of any times shown or if you are an exempt vehicleThe Ranty Highwaymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17361350433158148025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1828166865647185633.post-40657575644103288742023-08-07T23:04:54.934+01:002023-08-07T23:04:54.934+01:00What does this sign me so can we enter with a carWhat does this sign me so can we enter with a carAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1828166865647185633.post-12954138787407327542023-04-13T17:32:48.197+01:002023-04-13T17:32:48.197+01:00Thanks for the reply. My RPZ code is not the same ...Thanks for the reply. My RPZ code is not the same as the one on the sign. Presumably, they are specifically for residents of that road. So I guess I'll have to pay the fine :(Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1828166865647185633.post-72713122350136584752023-04-11T16:57:48.341+01:002023-04-11T16:57:48.341+01:00In my example, you'd need to have a RES1 permi...In my example, you'd need to have a RES1 permit; with yours I would expect to see a different permit reference for parking and driving, but without a location it's tricky to judge.The Ranty Highwaymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17361350433158148025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1828166865647185633.post-53386366123858304972023-04-10T10:13:15.008+01:002023-04-10T10:13:15.008+01:00Thanks for the useful info. I have a question abou...Thanks for the useful info. I have a question about the "Permit Holders" part. Does the code in the highlighted box (eg "RES1" in a green box) give residents of that street particular permission to go through? I have just got a ticket for driving through a nearby road which shares the same residential parking zone as me but says "Permit holders" with "H14" in a black box next to it. Not sure if I should be allowed to drive through. Thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1828166865647185633.post-39990282292556761162022-09-07T17:11:46.701+01:002022-09-07T17:11:46.701+01:00You would need to have a look at the traffic order...You would need to have a look at the traffic order, but there is usually an exemption for emergency services vehicles written into the order.The Ranty Highwaymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17361350433158148025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1828166865647185633.post-41577055485061626952022-09-07T11:01:55.663+01:002022-09-07T11:01:55.663+01:00Have the police authority to drive these streets r...Have the police authority to drive these streets regardless. I’m a cab driver and I have just had a ticket issued based on photo from a police car driving through in front of me. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1828166865647185633.post-12532280439605332832022-06-23T16:13:48.695+01:002022-06-23T16:13:48.695+01:00Yes, that would be loading by anyone using any cla...Yes, that would be loading by anyone using any class of vehicle, but there must be signs that loading is genuinely taking place!The Ranty Highwaymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17361350433158148025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1828166865647185633.post-30943519076709177522022-06-22T23:57:58.839+01:002022-06-22T23:57:58.839+01:00To understand you right, the first picture which s...To understand you right, the first picture which says loading permitted between certain periods, the loading refers to any car not just lorries?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1828166865647185633.post-65204893233437336222022-01-03T08:18:03.788+00:002022-01-03T08:18:03.788+00:00It will probably be a simple contravening a traffi...It will probably be a simple contravening a traffic sign, but what happens next where they police enforce it I'm afraid I don't know!The Ranty Highwaymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17361350433158148025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1828166865647185633.post-64060289814250542542021-12-13T13:53:42.498+00:002021-12-13T13:53:42.498+00:00Does anyone know of what offence has been committe...Does anyone know of what offence has been committed if a prohibited vehicle enters a Pedestrian and Cycle Zone, specifically a school street? I'm aware of a situation in England outside of London where both the council and police say they have no way to enforce contraventions, and no-one appears to know the answer. I'm aware there may not be civil parking enforcement code to enforce this but if anyone knows what the police do when issuing a fixed penalty notice I'd be interested in finding out. ThanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1828166865647185633.post-92188984659230724322020-07-09T06:40:51.140+01:002020-07-09T06:40:51.140+01:00It's a really good question and I'm not 10...It's a really good question and I'm not 100% sure, but I would say that the prohibition is on driving within the zone during operation and so someone who was parked before it started and then drove out would be "proceeding". The point is to have no moving vehicles when kids are walking, so it would make sense. A driver entering and seeing the signs should take note in the same way as they should with parking and speed limit signs.The Ranty Highwaymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17361350433158148025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1828166865647185633.post-42011079025515203322020-07-08T16:59:36.999+01:002020-07-08T16:59:36.999+01:00Dear Ranty,
Can you clarify a couple of points for...Dear Ranty,<br />Can you clarify a couple of points for me please. As the signs would be double sided on a two way road, is that to say as i would understand it a car inside the zone that entered prior to the time cannot leave?.<br /><br />I am assumed this would be a moving traffic violation, but looking at some of the order the pescription seems to state "any person who causes any vehicle to enter into or proceed in any road or length of road in accordance with any restriction or requirement indicated"? or does the bit proceed in any road cover them leaving too.<br /><br />Thanks for your help on this i am trying to ensure a school street can be enforced both ways.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07033147914957673758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1828166865647185633.post-67631423748256316542017-07-23T20:08:44.175+01:002017-07-23T20:08:44.175+01:00Hatfield has the curious situation that bicycles a...Hatfield has the curious situation that bicycles are banned but not delivery trucks, so we have armoured bank trucks mixing with pedestrians but bicycles are banned. It is a ban widely flouted as not enough police or wardens to enforce it. Sadly the result of one yob on a bike (with many previous convictions) hitting an old lady and creating a Daily Mail headline.Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06764801041477493876noreply@blogger.com